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  2. Ennis Lake and Bear Trap Canyon

    The no-go area around a dam (in relation to WWWH) has always been kind of gray, IMO. For stream/creek/river convergence purposes where the cold water from a dammed reservoir mixes with warmer water from a different stream/creek/river, that point of convergence would be WWWH would it not? I think the "not associated with a dam" refers to the lake/reservoir created (and the dam doing the halting) which was leading to people doing dumb things around dams. I'd have to look again at the geography of Ennis Lake to have an opinion specific to it as it relates to it's dam proximity.
  3. Ennis Lake and Bear Trap Canyon

    Ennis is a warm lake and the ''50 miles'' might fit but it was created by the Madison Dam (a ff NO-NO) and it is on the Bear Trap Canyon side of the lake. Quake Lake (created by an earthquake suddenly...as in "halt") is also a good choice...and closer to a good HOB (old Brown's camp). NFBTFTW from his old stomping grounds in West Yellowstone.
  4. Unaweep Canyon near Whitewater, CO

    I moved out here almost 40 years ago and I've been around many of these places recreationally (at least in CO and adjoining swathes of WY, UT, and NM). Boots or wheels, I've always thought of the topography and the cartography primarily in terms of where the water goes. Most of my explorations have been around waters that eventually go down the Grand Canyon to the Gulf of California. When I was introduced to the Chase a few years ago, I started collecting hydrographic curiosities I hadn't thought much about before, like Sinks Canyon, slide-dammed lakes, triple divides (many Three Rivers or Three Waters peaks or mountains, and especially Triple Divide Peak in Glacier Nat'l Park in MT - some of the waters there make it to Hudson Bay), and those other close little divides like the two I mentioned above re Unaweep Canyon (for yet another, see Kinky Creek Divide - two little ephemeral ponds from one of which waters flow to the Pacific, and from the other of which they flow to the Gulf of California). If Warm Waters are geothermal, I'll clearly never make it to the chest in time. Jake
  5. Interesting. Thanks for clarifying his comments. Beyond posting it, I haven't had a chance to look at it much further. Just out of curiosity, is what you've shared recently found info or was this all from when you looked at it at some point in the past?
  6. Unaweep Canyon near Whitewater, CO

    I will come back to this one soon as it is indeed an interesting location within an equally interesting bigger picture. I mentioned it briefly not too long ago in my response on the Uncompahgre here in the WWF Colorado Forum. For the moment, I'll just correct some errors in Puzzled's description from Dal's site. Not sure where P gets that from. Both Continental Divide AND Yellowstone afficianados are well aware of Isa Lake at Craig Pass in Yellowstone Nat'l Park WY, and Parting of the Waters at Two Ocean Pass just south of eastern Yellowstone. So there's two just in the Chase Zone (let alone "the entire world"). In addition, neither West Creek nor East Creek in Unaweep Canyon can really be called rivers, and it's geologically highly unlikely that they "carved" the canyon (singular, not "two canyons"). P's Spanglish interpretation ("Una means one; weep=tears") of the canyon's name I'll chalk up to poetic license. But just for the record, Unaweep is of course a Ute word; the most reliable-sounding definition I've come across is “thorny canyon”, though I've also seen “land comes together” (not sure in what sense that's meant). Jake
  7. Link to the Full Map is here: https://www.easymapmaker.com/map/warmwatersfound102617 Going to this site will allow you to click on each marker for the Name/Link to the related thread.
  8. Posted by Bookworm in a post on Dal's Site. "my big “pre clue” from FF’s book TTOTC was the 50 miles. For me the 50 miles lead me straight to WWWH which is where Ennis Lake enters Bear Trap Canyon. It has nothing to do with Ennis Dam because that’s another 8-9 miles down river. For me the 50 miles was the key to find WWWH."
  9. Posted by Bob Miller in a WWWH post on Dal's site. "went digging for the meaning of “waters”. definition includes “mineral springs”. After searching all of the states I came across one particular spring that looked interesting. Potosi spring in Montana. If you look up the word “Potosi” you will find it means “riches, fortune, etc.”"
  10. Posted by Stephan in a WWWH post on Dal's site. "I recently shared my WWWH on the blog: it’s the Blue Hole, in Santa Rosa, NM, and nearby Perch Lake, both scuba diving destinations and spring-fed lakes (their source springs flow into the lakes, and then halt)." ***Disclaimer: This WWWH is South (and East) of Santa Fe. Stephan was aware of this and stated that the remainder of his clue interpretation took him more than 8.25 miles North of Santa Fe.***
  11. Llaves, NM

    Posted by E.C. Waters in a WWWH post on Dal's site. "Llave is a word that is key. Llave is a faucet, where warm waters would halt. Llave is also a griffin for some reason, like a golden dragon (coat bracelet) might appear in Spanish heraldry. Llave is like “leeve”, for whatever reason he spelled it like that."
  12. Gallatin Lake - YNP

    DPT adds: "But I like WWH next to gallatin lake at crowfoot ridge. A crowsfoot is the 3 lines on a face next to the eye. They collect tears and as you get tired and weak they show more. Ok , old age marks-haha. A crowsfoot is also a wrench that the guy in the picture of page 50-51 is holding. He is wearing an apron and the wrench has an F on the one side. Crowfoot was also a native American Chief. Had to do with the 7th treaty."
  13. Gallatin Lake - YNP

    Posted by E* in a WWWH post on Dal's site. "I believe Gallatin Lake could be WWWH,…because it is the SOURCE of the VERY COLD (colder than the Madison or Yellowstone) Gallatin River,…at 8825ft,…and that lake is located outside the Yellowstone Caldera Boundary"
  14. Posted by Puzzled on Dal's site in a WWWH post. "It is unique in the fact that on this Plateau are two canyons carved by rivers moving in opposite directions, and an non existant divide between them. One river runs west and the other runs east and it is the only place in the entire world where two rivers start in almost the same location and run in different directions. It is called the Unaweep Canyon. Una means one, as in “I have gone alone”. Weep could be interpreted as “warm waters” (tears)."
  15. From a post on Dal's Site by Bill. I think it's probably been discussed before in various places, but it's not one I've looked at closely so it'll at least be new to me.
  16. Posted by Michael Hendrickson in a WWWH post on Dal's Site. "Take 285 to 111, north of Ojo Caliente. Follow 111 about a mile north of La Madera. There is a bridge a little past the spring. I was using the “where warm water salt” theory. also AS I the “I” = one. GONE ALONE the g”one” al”one” = 111 “i” also could mean a spring. There is a small canyon down from the spring."
  17. By alwayswantedtobeagoonie in a comment on a WWWH thread on Dal's site.
  18. Not sure I buy the suggested "warm waters" definition of uncompahgre, but it is true there's no shortage of hot/warm springs in the vicinity of Ouray up the Uncompahgre. A pretty good short linguistic introduction to Ute placenames in Colorado is here - http://cozine.com/1995-august/translating-ute-place-names/ [stickler schtick - it's Uncompahgre not "paghre"] At the northern end of the Uncompahgre Plateau is the interesting Unaweep Canyon. Its East Creek flows into the Gunnison River about 20 miles NW of (and downstream of) where the Uncompahgre River joins the Gunnison at Delta CO. What makes Unaweep Canyon interesting is that it drains in two directions - from the Divide in its middle stretch, its West Creek flows into the Dolores River while its East Creek flows into the Gunnison, as mentioned above. So if Unaweep Divide is where warm waters halt, you've got TWO "canyons down" to follow, which are actually the same canyon. Jake
  19. By E.C. Waters in a comment on a WWWH post on Dal's Site. "Tibia, a bone in one’s calf, has a Spanish meaning when paired with the word “agua”. “Agua tibia” translates to “warm water” in English. If one then begins it where warm waters halt using references of anatomy, one may go to the end of a tibia and find oneself at “The Knees” in the Sleeping Ute of Colorado, or at the spot I like very much, a lovely roadside pullout in YNP near West Entrance with a sign titled “TALUS” (44.64666, -110.93089). Talus is the Latin word for anklebone, but also has another meaning in geological terminology as “a sloping mass of rock fragments at the foot of a cliff.” This spot, by the way, is within the realm of Nine Mile Hole, which 9 miles is apparently too far to walk. Nine Mile Hole is also rumored to be a top-secret flywater location for Mr. Fenn, and TTOTC page 122 has a couple of photos of his father in the area, one specifically next to a large boulder at Nine Mile Hole. And someone here has mentioned talus as a potential clue for heavy loads. It would seem to me an amateur archaeologist and a YNP Nine Mile Hole fly fisherman might put these two together pretty quickly and feel rather clever."
  20. A comment by E.C. Waters? on a WWWH post on Dal's Site.
  21. From Goofy_Old_Guy in a WWWH post on Dal's Site. "Sinks Canyon is a rugged canyon at the base of the southern Wind River Mountains in Wyoming. Located on the eastern slope of the mountains, the canyon is named for a unique geologic formation, “The Sinks,” where the river vanishes underground near the mouth of the canyon."
  22. Posted by Chris Yates in a WWWH thread on Dal's Site. "uncompaghre [sic] is UTE and literally means where the water hits the red rocks, i found references online claiming the meaning can translate to warm waters also the uncompaghre [sic] NF boundary runs right through that mountain so a secondary meaning of uncompaghre [sic] coming to a halt here can be taken"
  23. #2 - Sipapu Ski Area

    Yeah, I couldn't find any either. Sandy, who mentioned this WWWH on Dal's site, had a HOB of Las Mochas (IIRC), but I couldn't find it anywhere so who knows.
  24. #2 - Sipapu Ski Area

    So there's really only one canyon you can take "down" from here and it follows the road to the southeast from Sipapu Ski Area. So let's move on to potential Homes of Brown down this road that we can put in below. Edit: If anyone wants to make an argument for going NW somehow and looking for HOB there, I'm all ears.
  25. A WWWH that Sandy mentioned on Dal's Site: Sipapu Ski Area From Sandy's post - Sipapu as place of emergence, birth, warm (amniotic) waters as understood by Hopi/Ancient Ones cosmology. Okay, let's start with the Canyons...
  26. #1 - Dotsero Warm Springs

    For my current solve, I actually use a geothermal feature and I can make a case for your #3 above, but obviously, it's not something I can talk about until late next year after a (still only proposed, not official) BOTG trip in August or thereabouts. I find the (paraphrasing) "What does warm mean? Comfortable." question and answer to be the likeliest indicator that warm water is what it sounds like (#Occam'sRazor) so that's a lot of the appeal of warm/hot springs emptying into rivers. I think the other most likely situation is the case of reservoir water mixing with a different (non-Reservoir) stream/creek/river a few miles from the reservoir. I suppose I'll try to find one of those for the next one of these. And suggestions are always welcome, obviously.
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